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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://blog.wesabe.com/2006/09/05/guilting-your-money-away/#comment-3569</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got back from vacation and saw that Wamu charged me 16 $32 fees totaling around 600 dollars.  I only overdrafted on groceries and gas.  As you can imagine Wamu told me to suck it.  Now I need to either file a small claims suit or write them a threatening letter to urge them to refund the fees.  I am a student and do not have the money to pay. Nor do I think it is moral or reasonable for wamu to charge me hundreds of dollars without notifying me by phone or email.  I am waiting for a call from a &quot;senior specialist&quot; call back.  I will post the end result here, and I will be finding a credit union as soon as I can shed these bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got back from vacation and saw that Wamu charged me 16 $32 fees totaling around 600 dollars.  I only overdrafted on groceries and gas.  As you can imagine Wamu told me to suck it.  Now I need to either file a small claims suit or write them a threatening letter to urge them to refund the fees.  I am a student and do not have the money to pay. Nor do I think it is moral or reasonable for wamu to charge me hundreds of dollars without notifying me by phone or email.  I am waiting for a call from a &#8220;senior specialist&#8221; call back.  I will post the end result here, and I will be finding a credit union as soon as I can shed these bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: Karney Hatch</title>
		<link>http://blog.wesabe.com/2006/09/05/guilting-your-money-away/#comment-3568</link>
		<dc:creator>Karney Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 02:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two notes on other subjects:

1) It&#039;s our fault on not the banks.  This is a fallacy.  70% of Americans no longer balance their check books, _because they don&#039;t write checks_.  They use their debit cards and pay for things online.  We have cell phones and email, online banking and instant everything, but the banks manipulate the system in numerous ways, from the &quot;float&quot; (the time between when you deposit a check and when it shows up in your account) to reverse ordering your debits from largest to smallest, all to maximize their fee income.  They also notify you about overdraft fees the old slow way, by regular mail, when they could be pinging your email or calling your cell phone, which could all be easily automated.  They have the technology to stop robbing us.

2) Where to take your business instead of the thieving national banks.  Small credit unions are good, as are community banks, but many larger credit unions are just as bad as the big banks.  Also, if you really want to keep your current bank, just tell them to take you out of the overdraft protection program.  I did that with my B of A account - I was overjoyed when it got refused when I was having breakfast with my son at a neighborhood restaurant.  Confused the waitress, but it proved that you can make your account work in a reasonable way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two notes on other subjects:</p>
<p>1) It&#8217;s our fault on not the banks.  This is a fallacy.  70% of Americans no longer balance their check books, _because they don&#8217;t write checks_.  They use their debit cards and pay for things online.  We have cell phones and email, online banking and instant everything, but the banks manipulate the system in numerous ways, from the &#8220;float&#8221; (the time between when you deposit a check and when it shows up in your account) to reverse ordering your debits from largest to smallest, all to maximize their fee income.  They also notify you about overdraft fees the old slow way, by regular mail, when they could be pinging your email or calling your cell phone, which could all be easily automated.  They have the technology to stop robbing us.</p>
<p>2) Where to take your business instead of the thieving national banks.  Small credit unions are good, as are community banks, but many larger credit unions are just as bad as the big banks.  Also, if you really want to keep your current bank, just tell them to take you out of the overdraft protection program.  I did that with my B of A account &#8211; I was overjoyed when it got refused when I was having breakfast with my son at a neighborhood restaurant.  Confused the waitress, but it proved that you can make your account work in a reasonable way.</p>
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		<title>By: Karney Hatch</title>
		<link>http://blog.wesabe.com/2006/09/05/guilting-your-money-away/#comment-3567</link>
		<dc:creator>Karney Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 02:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janice et al: Take your bank to small claims court and get your money back.  The banks are terrified of bad publicity on this issue right now, partly because there&#039;s a bill in Congress (HR 946, the Consumer Overdraft Protection Fair Practices Act) that will address some of the abuses of the current system.

I filed a small claims action against Wells Fargo to get my overdraft fees back, and seven days later they called and said they were giving in - they paid everything, including the &quot;sustained overdraft fees&quot; they&#039;d been charging me all week, AND the 47.50 court filing fee.  It was exactly what would have happened if they had actually gone to court and the judge had found 100% in my favor.

The statute of limitations for small claims like these is a minimum of three years, depending on your state, so even if it&#039;s been a while, if you have a record of it, file!

If you win, let me know and I&#039;ll talk about it in my movie, Overdrawn!, coming this summer.

-Karney Hatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janice et al: Take your bank to small claims court and get your money back.  The banks are terrified of bad publicity on this issue right now, partly because there&#8217;s a bill in Congress (HR 946, the Consumer Overdraft Protection Fair Practices Act) that will address some of the abuses of the current system.</p>
<p>I filed a small claims action against Wells Fargo to get my overdraft fees back, and seven days later they called and said they were giving in &#8211; they paid everything, including the &#8220;sustained overdraft fees&#8221; they&#8217;d been charging me all week, AND the 47.50 court filing fee.  It was exactly what would have happened if they had actually gone to court and the judge had found 100% in my favor.</p>
<p>The statute of limitations for small claims like these is a minimum of three years, depending on your state, so even if it&#8217;s been a while, if you have a record of it, file!</p>
<p>If you win, let me know and I&#8217;ll talk about it in my movie, Overdrawn!, coming this summer.</p>
<p>-Karney Hatch</p>
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		<title>By: janice wiecking</title>
		<link>http://blog.wesabe.com/2006/09/05/guilting-your-money-away/#comment-3566</link>
		<dc:creator>janice wiecking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 09:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son just got hit with 13 $32 overdraft fees all in one evening.  I will contact them today, but it looks like it will be in vain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son just got hit with 13 $32 overdraft fees all in one evening.  I will contact them today, but it looks like it will be in vain.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Locihfer</title>
		<link>http://blog.wesabe.com/2006/09/05/guilting-your-money-away/#comment-3565</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Locihfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This topic rocks.
I have been given the bitchslap treatment by the wamu group too.
It is going to end in court. Not small claims either, but superior in California.
My overdraft charges started in 2005. They originally were 23.00 dollars per overextended debit card. As you know this is simply a plastic check.  TYe next round was 25.00 dollars per OE DC. Now the latest round comes in at 27.00 per OE DC. ANd I keep a close eye on my balance. These fools think they are so slick. Errors abound in the online version compared to the monthly mailer.
THen  ther is the WAMU FInancial Services  sister  company. THesew crooks charge sky high fees for buying or selling common shares. With this usury practice the investor sees so liottle a gain he might as well go to vegas or reno ..
I propose a class action upon the WAMU fudiciary swindlers.
THey lie straight to your face. Why? Becuase the U.S. dollar they control is wholly transacted as CHinese YUAN. THese bastards suck tHey are most unpatriotic. I plan to sue for pain and suffering along with the lost account balances and 18% of that total.
Lets see if this can snowball. WHat the hell we are close to having adepression again.
THanks
 Rob Locihfer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic rocks.<br />
I have been given the bitchslap treatment by the wamu group too.<br />
It is going to end in court. Not small claims either, but superior in California.<br />
My overdraft charges started in 2005. They originally were 23.00 dollars per overextended debit card. As you know this is simply a plastic check.  TYe next round was 25.00 dollars per OE DC. Now the latest round comes in at 27.00 per OE DC. ANd I keep a close eye on my balance. These fools think they are so slick. Errors abound in the online version compared to the monthly mailer.<br />
THen  ther is the WAMU FInancial Services  sister  company. THesew crooks charge sky high fees for buying or selling common shares. With this usury practice the investor sees so liottle a gain he might as well go to vegas or reno ..<br />
I propose a class action upon the WAMU fudiciary swindlers.<br />
THey lie straight to your face. Why? Becuase the U.S. dollar they control is wholly transacted as CHinese YUAN. THese bastards suck tHey are most unpatriotic. I plan to sue for pain and suffering along with the lost account balances and 18% of that total.<br />
Lets see if this can snowball. WHat the hell we are close to having adepression again.<br />
THanks<br />
 Rob Locihfer</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Siperly</title>
		<link>http://blog.wesabe.com/2006/09/05/guilting-your-money-away/#comment-3564</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Siperly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wamu just scammed 1100.00 dollars from me with their &quot;check bouncing&quot;scam.  After over thirty years with the bank, they turned out to be anything but a &quot;Friend of the Family&quot;.  they became my family&#039;s worst nightmare.  They allowed access to unauthorized companies and used lots of lag time to notify us that our checking account was in minus territory.  This started an avalanch of uncovered checks multipal times per day until we were notified.  They did nothing to help rectify this and it has cost us big.  they were the rudest most inconsiderate snobs I have ever delt with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wamu just scammed 1100.00 dollars from me with their &#8220;check bouncing&#8221;scam.  After over thirty years with the bank, they turned out to be anything but a &#8220;Friend of the Family&#8221;.  they became my family&#8217;s worst nightmare.  They allowed access to unauthorized companies and used lots of lag time to notify us that our checking account was in minus territory.  This started an avalanch of uncovered checks multipal times per day until we were notified.  They did nothing to help rectify this and it has cost us big.  they were the rudest most inconsiderate snobs I have ever delt with.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Thraen</title>
		<link>http://blog.wesabe.com/2006/09/05/guilting-your-money-away/#comment-3563</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Thraen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have a huge beef about how some of these banks make money - Washington Mutual decided they would up my interest rate to 25.74% from 16.99% because they periodically review finiancial metrics and make adjustments. Now - I have a good creadit report - never have had a late payment with them or anyone else and have interest rates on my other credit cards from 9.99%-16.49%. So I didn&#039;t rally get why they wanted to erxtort money - except of the obvious - they could and I can do nothing except close the account and tell lots of people to NOT DO Business with WAMU unless you want to be a victim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have a huge beef about how some of these banks make money &#8211; Washington Mutual decided they would up my interest rate to 25.74% from 16.99% because they periodically review finiancial metrics and make adjustments. Now &#8211; I have a good creadit report &#8211; never have had a late payment with them or anyone else and have interest rates on my other credit cards from 9.99%-16.49%. So I didn&#8217;t rally get why they wanted to erxtort money &#8211; except of the obvious &#8211; they could and I can do nothing except close the account and tell lots of people to NOT DO Business with WAMU unless you want to be a victim!</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Hedlund</title>
		<link>http://blog.wesabe.com/2006/09/05/guilting-your-money-away/#comment-3562</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Hedlund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Stephen,

You&#039;re absolutely right that bouncing a check isn&#039;t a responsible use of a bank account.  My complaint is with banks that increase fees for bounced checks because they are trying to increase profits when their customers run into trouble like that.  In the savings account case I mentioned at the top, I don&#039;t think I was being irresponsible -- I think I&#039;d just chosen the wrong bank!

I still agree with your point, though.  My tip to people is just not to let feeling badly about your finances cause you to ignore a bank trying to make your situation worse when you&#039;re already having trouble.  Better to give your business to a bank or credit union that charges below-average fees, or none at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Stephen,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right that bouncing a check isn&#8217;t a responsible use of a bank account.  My complaint is with banks that increase fees for bounced checks because they are trying to increase profits when their customers run into trouble like that.  In the savings account case I mentioned at the top, I don&#8217;t think I was being irresponsible &#8212; I think I&#8217;d just chosen the wrong bank!</p>
<p>I still agree with your point, though.  My tip to people is just not to let feeling badly about your finances cause you to ignore a bank trying to make your situation worse when you&#8217;re already having trouble.  Better to give your business to a bank or credit union that charges below-average fees, or none at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate what you&#039;re saying, and I agree that banks often take the fee thing too far and sneak a lot into the fine print they know the customers don&#039;t read, but...  Let&#039;s not shirk personal responsibility here.  It is you&#039;re job to make sure you don&#039;t bounce checks, not the banks.  A $25 fee is exorbitant (I&#039;m sure it doesn&#039;t cost the bank that much), but it was still you that bounced the check and charging you a fee when you do it is not really out of the realm of decency.  Just as the bank agrees to abide by certain rules and store your money for you, you agree to abide by certain rules and manage your money responsibly, though I agree whole-heartedly with the idea of looking for banks or credit unions that keep fees to a minimum and give you the benefit of the doubt.

Banks could do a better job of giving more leeway to those with long, responsible account histories.  I&#039;ve had an account with the same bank for nearly 20 years, I have direct deposit, and I&#039;ve bounced all of about 10 checks in the time I&#039;ve been with them, I&#039;d think they&#039;d be able to reduce or forego the fee on those rare occasions that I do lose track.  Maybe it&#039;s time I looked for something new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate what you&#8217;re saying, and I agree that banks often take the fee thing too far and sneak a lot into the fine print they know the customers don&#8217;t read, but&#8230;  Let&#8217;s not shirk personal responsibility here.  It is you&#8217;re job to make sure you don&#8217;t bounce checks, not the banks.  A $25 fee is exorbitant (I&#8217;m sure it doesn&#8217;t cost the bank that much), but it was still you that bounced the check and charging you a fee when you do it is not really out of the realm of decency.  Just as the bank agrees to abide by certain rules and store your money for you, you agree to abide by certain rules and manage your money responsibly, though I agree whole-heartedly with the idea of looking for banks or credit unions that keep fees to a minimum and give you the benefit of the doubt.</p>
<p>Banks could do a better job of giving more leeway to those with long, responsible account histories.  I&#8217;ve had an account with the same bank for nearly 20 years, I have direct deposit, and I&#8217;ve bounced all of about 10 checks in the time I&#8217;ve been with them, I&#8217;d think they&#8217;d be able to reduce or forego the fee on those rare occasions that I do lose track.  Maybe it&#8217;s time I looked for something new.</p>
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		<title>By: allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After years of bad experiences With banks of all sizes and stripes I finally switched.

I now use a credit union for personal accounts - they are very helpful, friendly, and most important - reasonable.

I&#039;ve been paring down my credit cards for the same reason - unreasonable business models. I figure the businesses should cater to the customer, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After years of bad experiences With banks of all sizes and stripes I finally switched.</p>
<p>I now use a credit union for personal accounts &#8211; they are very helpful, friendly, and most important &#8211; reasonable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been paring down my credit cards for the same reason &#8211; unreasonable business models. I figure the businesses should cater to the customer, not the other way around.</p>
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